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The White Mass isn't a novelty but the Clown Mass definitely is (or was, it seems barely to exist now), because clown ministry is itself a novelty. And I don't think the Clown Mass can be grouped together with Blue, White, or Red Masses since none of those involve the liturgical ministers dressing u...

Doom seems to be more or less correct; you can read the actual bill here: https://www.assnat.qc.ca/en/travaux-par ... -43-2.html

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 01, 2025 8:30 am

anawim wrote: ↑Mon Dec 01, 2025 3:48 am

For 30 A.D.: May 06 Jun 04 Nov 28
For 33 A.D.: Apr 03 Sep 27

So do any of those 5 dates coincide with the Sabbath?

April 3, A.D. 30.

I'm sure you mean AD 33

Doom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 30, 2025 2:30 pmEveryone was invited, and meeting with them was the purpose of the event.

The Russian Orthodox were not invited - the Holy See left it up to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to invite the Orthodox.

Cardinal Fernandez made a statement today that he didn't mean to say the titles of "Co-Redemptrix" and "Mediatrix of all Graces" were being banned, that he meant they can be used in private devotion, but not in the liturgy. Exactly what I said, that the document says. If the doc...

LOL, I really have to hand it to Doom, he seems to have divined the esoteric meaning of Mater Populi Fideles: https://dianemontagna.substack.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-clarifies-co-redemptrix I didn't "divine" anything; I read several extensive commentaries by people I trust. I just try not...

LOL, I really have to hand it to Doom, he seems to have divined the esoteric meaning of Mater Populi Fideles:

https://dianemontagna.substack.com/p/ca ... redemptrix

So why would one see priests dressed as clowns?

About 20 years ago or so my wedding ring fell off while I was sleeping - still not quite sure how it happened, but I went to bed with it and woke up without it - and I couldn't find it anywhere. I went into work and was off the whole day, I had co-workers praying to St. Anthony for me. My wife tore ...

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:34 pm No podemos. We're all about barycenters now.

So hard to lose weight after 50

Apparently the DDF didn't consult with any Mariologists on the "doctrinal" note: https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/267921/virgin-mary-doesnt-have-the-role-of-holding-back-gods-wrath-vatican-expert-says Emphases mine below: However, in the case of this doctrinal note on certain Marian...

A Dutch auxiliary criticizes Mater Populi Fidelis:
https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2025/ ... nt-on.html

So you think John Paul II's use of the title was mentioned for the purpose of condemning him? And the long section giving the history of the theology behind the doctrine, mentioning several Church Fathers and canonized saints, was done to call them out as wrong? That is quite far from the most natu...

Doom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 3:46 pm The bigger question is "Where does it say you can't use it"?

If something is "always inappropriate" then it shouldn't be done, this isn't hard to understand.

Doom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 6:24 pm It says it can be said when there is no possibility of misunderstanding. The Church cannot say that the title cannot be used without condemning multiple canonized saints as heretics.

Quote the passage where it says what you've attributed to it.

I would love to know who voted against it

Doom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:04 pmThe document literally says that the title can be used

It doesn't.

The titles are not banned, but a course of prudence is encouraged, and the theology underlying these titles is by and large endorsed. Come now, I don't see how you can say "it doesn't seem like you've read it" and then say this - a lot more than prudence is encouraged around the title of ...

anawim wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:44 am

further theological development is required.

Well, whose responsibility is this? If not the Pope and/or the CDC, then who?

It is definitely not the Pope's responsibility or the DDF's to "develop" anything.

This points out the fact that the Pope is "damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't". If the 'terms can be misleading' and it is 'better not to use them because they might cause scandal'. then not giving a better, more complete, definition of the terminology is equally 'misleading', an...