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I did.

peregrinator wrote: ↑Mon Dec 01, 2025 8:41 am

Doom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 30, 2025 2:30 pmEveryone was invited, and meeting with them was the purpose of the event.

The Russian Orthodox were not invited - the Holy See left it up to the Ecumenical Patriarchate to invite the Orthodox.

The Russian Orthodox are in schism with the rest of the Orthodox world; they consider themselves to be the only real Christians and everyone else, heretical.

The Council of Europe’s parliamentary assembly has called on all states to view Patriarch Kirill and his church’s leadership as extensions of Vladimir Putin’s regime and to treat them as complicit in its war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The church is: “An ideological extension of Vladimir Putin’s regime complicit in war crimes and crimes against humanity conducted in the name of the Russian Federation and the Russkiy Mir ideology,” it stated.
It’s easy to find supporting evidence. At the World Russian People’s Council in Moscow in March, the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) approved The Present and Future of Russian World [Russkiy Mir]” — a document aimed at consolidating Kremlin narratives into a broader nationalist ideology around the war in Ukraine and Moscow’s expansionist ambitions.
The church has framed the slaughter and destruction of the full-scale invasion as a “holy war for all Russians” and a struggle against the “moral decay” of the “satanic” West.
Its priests urge Orthodox believers to sacrifice themselves for their country by joining the war of aggression, while the church’s domestic propaganda calls for protection of the “traditional” family through the oppression of LGBT+ people and softer punishments for domestic violence.
It also calls for a return to the doctrine of the triunity of the Russian people, which teaches that Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians are branches of a single ethnic group. It claims the term “Russian” encompasses all Eastern Slavs and promotes a unified “Russian” identity, undermining the sovereignty of neighboring states.

You beat me to it. Well, with a lot more research and detail and quite convincingly.

As I recall, from my era of reading about the rise and fall of Communist Russia, the Russian Church has been coopted by the state back into Czarist times. It was during the atheist Soviet era that the church subsumed itself to the state in order to survive as a rump. During the brief period of the Post-Soviet Transition, the Russian Church rebounded -- what had been largely private devotion reemerged as public observance. Under Putin, the Russian Church, at the parish level, remains a significant part of Russian culture.

HST, at the higher levels, the Russian Church, for reasons better knows to you theologians and religious historians, has "always" been pan-Slavic and Russian nationalist. The aims of state and church have been generally in step. Considering the Russian culture's "us against the world" core belief, it is not surprising that the Russian Church supports Russian imperialism.

In the West during the Middle Ages, there was the "Investiture Controversy", where the Holy Roman Emperor and other secular rulers claimed the right to appoint bishops to invest them with the shepherd's staff and their rings. In claiming this, they were claiming that bishops get both their spiritual and temporal authority from the government, not from the Church. The Popes spent centuries fighting over this, demanding full independence from the state, a battle which they eventually won.

In the East, the secular authorities also claimed the right of investiture. The Eastern Churches responded differently; rather than fighting for their independence from the State, they rolled over and let the State dominate the Church. This is called "Cesaropapism", and it has been a perennial problem.

The Russian Orthodox Church was always under the thumb of the Tsar; Putin is essentially the modern Tsar, so it is only natural that the Russian Orthodox Church would resume its centuries-old position of subservience to the state.

It is widely believed (with evidence) that the current patriarch of Moscow was on the KGB payroll back in the day.

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 04, 2025 8:49 pm It is widely believed (with evidence) that the current patriarch of Moscow was on the KGB payroll back in the day.

Any prominent person who didn't get sent to the Gulag probably was

I did observe, when I was in Russia some years ago, that the observance of religion by the people was open and apparently devout. I did visit a Catholic church in St Petersburg. Although a bit worn around the edges, perhaps due to age, it was apparently as active and observant as any parish I've seen in the US.

Highlander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 07, 2025 12:01 am I did observe, when I was in Russia some years ago, that the observance of religion by the people was open and apparently devout. I did visit a Catholic church in St Petersburg. Although a bit worn around the edges, perhaps due to age, it was apparently as active and observant as any parish I've seen in the US.

Russia has always been one of the most religiously devout countries in what passes for the West. Is Russia a "Western" country? Well, bastard stepchild, anyway. Since at least Peter the Great, a significant faction of Russians has wanted to modernize and become more Western, but they are held back by another faction that wants to return to the 19th century. This is a large part of the reason why the country is a political basketcase. It is a shame the Russian Orthodox Church has so many problems.