SSPX plans to ordain bishops, defying Pope, again

[Jack3]

https://x.com/i/status/2018307503126180166

[aussie_aussie_oi_oi]

Observers say moving ahead with new consecrations after explicitly seeking and not receiving Rome’s agreement signals a clear divergence of judgment that will likely harden positions on both sides, making any future canonical solution more difficult.
They also say the move implicitly challenges how the Holy See is handling liturgy, doctrine, and the traditionalist movement globally, at a time when debates over the older liturgy are already intense.
“Excommunications are back on the menu, obviously because it’s automatic,” said Joseph Bevan, a senior SSPX layman and author of the 2025 book Traddy Daddy — Memories and Thoughts of the Father of a Catholic Family. He believes such a development was “inevitable,” adding that the discussions have been ongoing since July 2025 but with no progress. “Who can blame them?” he told EWTN News. “Rome is dragging its feet and being obstructive.”
A Rome canonist speaking on background to EWTN News held out hope that as the consecrations have not yet happened, a solution could possibly be found in the meantime, and today’s announcement could press both parties into coming to a resolution.
The Holy See Press Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/society- ... munication

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I would hope that negotiations under Pope Leo might be different from those under Pope Francis, but I'm not particularly in the know.

[Doom]

I would hope that negotiations under Pope Leo might be different from those under Pope Francis, but I'm not particularly in the know.

The Society has been on the cusp of regularization for a few years now; only a few remaining issues remain to be resolved. But I don't think they want regularization, so they're going to go through the motions of the very thing that caused the rupture in the first place because they don't want an end. They are so fully invested in their self-image as so-called "rebels" against Papal authority that they have no idea what they would do if the rupture ended. They are basically "You don't understand, we need to be in schism, it's just who we are." It is impossoble to ever reach an accomodation with people who act like this.

[Doom]

The latest news is that negotiations have begun between the SSPX and the Vatican

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

With this warning:

The dicastery also warned that if the SSPX proceeds with episcopal consecrations it has announced for July 1 without authorization from the Holy See, the move would “imply a decisive rupture of ecclesial communion (schism),” carrying “grave consequences” for the fraternity as a whole, and would bring the dialogue to an immediate end.

[Doom]

Consecrating bishops without the express permission of the Pope does not have to be treated as a schimatic act, and before 1988, it was never considered to be such. I understand that there were a lot more problems with Archbishiop Lefebrave, going back shortly after the Vatican Council. including his apparent sedevacantism, and his history of frankly lying about what happened at the Council, he voted for ALL of the documents that were passed, and when confronted with this fact later, he lied and claimed to have opposed all of them. Either he was a liar, or, perhaps more likely, given the way he became increasingly irrational as he grew older, he may have dementia, and honestly couldn't remember what happened at the Council. Either way, the consecration of the 4 bishops was the final straw.

In the past, unlawful consecrations of bishops were later confirmed by the Pope. It does have to be a schismatic act unless the Pope insists that it is.

[aussie_aussie_oi_oi]

SSPX have rejected the postponement proposal:
That said, while I certainly rejoice at a new opening of dialogue and the positive response to my proposal of 2019, I cannot accept the perspective and objectives in the name of which the Dicastery offers to resume dialogue in the present situation, nor indeed the postponement of the date of 1 July.

https://fsspx.news/en/news/letter-fathe ... ndez-57309

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

They are bound and determined to accept only what they like.

[Highlander]

They are bound and determined to accept only what they like.

I have learned that, when "negotiation" is defined by one party as an event in which the only accepted activity is certification of that party's position, then other parties could probably save time by not participating. I am reminded of the Munich Agreement and about every business meeting I ever attended.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Also the last forty years of the Episcopal Church.

[anawim]

Also:
Gaza
Ukraine & Russia
etc.

[Highlander]

Also the last forty years of the Episcopal Church.

Oh, well played. Well played indeed.